Comments on: WordPress plugin to lock site for Shabat http://kosherdev.com/2009/11/wordpress-plugin-to-lock-site-for-shabat/ Blog about kosher programming Sun, 26 Feb 2012 18:45:54 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Shabat keeper 0.3 - KosherDev http://kosherdev.com/2009/11/wordpress-plugin-to-lock-site-for-shabat/comment-page-1/#comment-50 Shabat keeper 0.3 - KosherDev Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000 http://kosherdev.com/?p=131#comment-50 [...] select how to lock the site. There are only two options for now: - Full lock. As it was introduced before, site will be locked fully with proper message - Comments lock. This will lock possibility to write [...] [...] select how to lock the site. There are only two options for now: – Full lock. As it was introduced before, site will be locked fully with proper message – Comments lock. This will lock possibility to write [...]

]]> By: bahaltener http://kosherdev.com/2009/11/wordpress-plugin-to-lock-site-for-shabat/comment-page-1/#comment-48 bahaltener Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000 http://kosherdev.com/?p=131#comment-48 I think the bottom line is - technically there is no need to close a site for Shabbos. However I guess, there is some difference between a business site, and non profit site (even though some allow even a business site to operate if it's automatic). I think the bottom line is – technically there is no need to close a site for Shabbos. However I guess, there is some difference between a business site, and non profit site (even though some allow even a business site to operate if it’s automatic).

]]> By: Moishe Beshkin http://kosherdev.com/2009/11/wordpress-plugin-to-lock-site-for-shabat/comment-page-1/#comment-45 Moishe Beshkin Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000 http://kosherdev.com/?p=131#comment-45 But what about getting so popular now blocking utilities? Here is interesting investigation on this issue http://koltorah.org/halachah/closing-website-shabbat-and-yom-tov-%E2%80%93-part-two I think, I would allow my plugin users to choose which option to disable for shabat. The minimum, which should be done, I think, is to disable commenting across the website. But what about getting so popular now blocking utilities?
Here is interesting investigation on this issue http://koltorah.org/halachah/closing-website-shabbat-and-yom-tov-%E2%80%93-part-two
I think, I would allow my plugin users to choose which option to disable for shabat. The minimum, which should be done, I think, is to disable commenting across the website.

]]> By: bahaltener http://kosherdev.com/2009/11/wordpress-plugin-to-lock-site-for-shabat/comment-page-1/#comment-44 bahaltener Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000 http://kosherdev.com/?p=131#comment-44 I think it's an "overkill". There is no need to shut down automatic entities on Shabbos (robots, sites, etc). On the other hand, non Jews can look at them. It's enough if you put an automatic notice before Shabbos, that on Shabbos Jews shouldn't use your resource, in order not to violate the Halocho. I think it’s an “overkill”. There is no need to shut down automatic entities on Shabbos (robots, sites, etc). On the other hand, non Jews can look at them. It’s enough if you put an automatic notice before Shabbos, that on Shabbos Jews shouldn’t use your resource, in order not to violate the Halocho.

]]> By: Moishe Beshkin http://kosherdev.com/2009/11/wordpress-plugin-to-lock-site-for-shabat/comment-page-1/#comment-41 Moishe Beshkin Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000 http://kosherdev.com/?p=131#comment-41 That's a very good point. I was thinking about the problem on which time to deny access to site - server's or user's one. I know about possibility to determine location by IP. And I am going to implement it in future releases. For now, I decided to start from small functionality as a proof of concept. I think that the best way is block on server side according to Estonian time (as soon as i reside here), but on user's perspective from his location. So, total outage time will not be 48 hours, but much less. This filter substitutes site content on server's side, so bots also will get shabbos block page. That’s a very good point. I was thinking about the problem on which time to deny access to site – server’s or user’s one.
I know about possibility to determine location by IP. And I am going to implement it in future releases. For now, I decided to start from small functionality as a proof of concept.
I think that the best way is block on server side according to Estonian time (as soon as i reside here), but on user’s perspective from his location. So, total outage time will not be 48 hours, but much less.

This filter substitutes site content on server’s side, so bots also will get shabbos block page.

]]> By: KosherJava http://kosherdev.com/2009/11/wordpress-plugin-to-lock-site-for-shabat/comment-page-1/#comment-40 KosherJava Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000 http://kosherdev.com/?p=131#comment-40 Interesting. I am not going to get into the halachic question about keeping a non commercial site open on Shabbos. On a technical/halachic note, who's clock should you look at? Yours in Estonia, or the user's clock elsewhere? If the point is to prevent chilul Shabbos, it should be from the user's perspective. For a site selling items, I can make the point that it should be from both perspectives, something that will force an almost 48 hour downtime if you want to look at it from your and the user's perspective. On a different note, do you allow bots in on Shabbos? Interesting. I am not going to get into the halachic question about keeping a non commercial site open on Shabbos. On a technical/halachic note, who’s clock should you look at? Yours in Estonia, or the user’s clock elsewhere? If the point is to prevent chilul Shabbos, it should be from the user’s perspective. For a site selling items, I can make the point that it should be from both perspectives, something that will force an almost 48 hour downtime if you want to look at it from your and the user’s perspective. On a different note, do you allow bots in on Shabbos?

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